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Argentina’s president has attacked David Cameron over the Falkland Islands, labelling his opinion on the subject “mediocrity bordering on stupidity”.

La posición tradicional de los gobiernos británicos desde el fin de la guerra en Las Islas Malvinas, en 1982, repetida por el Primer Ministro inglés, David Cameron, esta semana, es no discutir la pertenencia del territorio de las Islas Falklands (o Malvinas), a no ser que los residentes expresen ese deseo. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner rechazó esos comentarios y los consideró “un gesto de mediocridad y casi de estupidez”.  La opinión mayoritaria en Argentina es que la soberanía de las islas debería discernirse, “así que la reactivación del reclamo por parte de las autoridades puede generar simpatías, con rédito en un escenario electoral”.

Para el corresponsal de BBC Mundo en Buenos Aires, Vladimir Hernández: “El gobierno argentino aprovechó la visita del secretario general de Naciones Unidas, Ban ki-Moon, el lunes para reafirmar su intención de volver a abrir negociaciones con el Reino Unido”-

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Malvinas / Falklands: entre la “estupidez” y la “autodeterminación”

En la semana que se cumple el 29 aniversario del fin de la guerra entre Argentina y Gran Bretaña se recalienta la retórica entre ambas naciones

Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, presidenta argentina


17-6-2011 – Gran Bretaña es una “burda potencia colonial en decadencia”, según la calificación que hizo la presidenta de Argentina, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, en lo que parece ser un recalentamiento del debate sobre las islas Malvinas o Falklands que sigue dividiendo a Londres y Buenos Aires.

La víspera el primer ministro de Reino Unido, David Cameron, había dicho en el Parlamento británico que “mientras las Islas Falklands (o Malvinas) quieran ser territorio soberano británico, van a permanecer territorio soberano británico, punto final”.

Fernández rechazó esos comentarios y los consideró “un gesto de mediocridad y casi de estupidez”.

El pasado martes se cumplió el 29 aniversario de la guerra que enfrentó a británicos y argentino por el control del archipiélago ubicado en el sur del Atlántico, lo que reavivó en ambas capitales la discusión sobre el futuro del territorio.

Coyuntura electoral

El aniversario se produce en una coyuntura electoral, ya que en octubre serán las elecciones presidenciales en Argentina, por lo que el discurso nacionalista podría ayudar a Kirchner si finalmente decidiera buscar la reelección.

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“El gobierno argentino aprovechó la visita del secretario general de Naciones Unidas, Ban ki-Moon, el lunes para reafirmar su intención de volver a abrir negociaciones con el Reino Unido”, explica el corresponsal de BBC Mundo en Buenos Aires, Vladimir Hernández.

Según nuestro corresponsal la opinión mayoritaria en Argentina es que la soberanía de las islas debería discernirse, “así que la reactivación del reclamo por parte de las autoridades puede generar simpatías, con rédito en un escenario electoral”.

Como organismo rector del proceso de descolonización iniciado a mediados del siglo XX, la ONU reconoce que Buenos Aires tiene razones para reclamar la soberanía del territorio, pero no puede forzar a Londres a entrar en negociaciones con los argentinos.

La posición tradicional de los gobiernos británicos desde el fin de la guerra en 1982, repetida por Cameron, es no discutir la pertenencia del territorio al Reino Unido, a no ser que los residentes expresaran ese deseo.

De británico a argentino

En coincidencia con al aniversario del fin del conflicto, este martes Kirchner entregó un documento de nacionalidad argentina al hijo de un veterano británico de la guerra que nació en las islas, en lo que algunos consideraron un acto propagandístico.

“Esto no significa que es ahora que el gobierno de Cristina Fernández ha hecho este reclamo. Tanto la mandataria como su fallecido esposo han sido impulsores de esta política en los últimos años”, aclara Hernández.

A raíz de la guerra se especuló que la armada británica buscaba preservar en el dominio británico los grandes yacimientos petroleros submarinos que habría en la zona.

Sin embargo, casi treinta años después las exploraciones que se han realizado en altamar, y que en más de una ocasión han contribuido a los choques retóricos entre Buenos Aires y Londres, no parecen haber dado con reservas suficientes que justifiquen la inversión para la producción en el lejano archipiélago.

http://www.el-nacional.com/www/site/p_contenido.php?q=nodo/215393/BBC%20Mundo/Malvinas-/-Falklands:-entre-la-estupidez-y-la-autodeterminaci%C3%B3n

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Cristina Fernández consideró “una estupidez” dichos de Cameron sobre las Malvinas

El primer ministro aseguró que las islas son “territorio soberano británico y punto”.

Sus palabras fueron “un lamentable acto de arrogancia”, indicó la Cancillería argentina.

16/06/2011 – La presidenta de Argentina, Cristina Fernández, consideró una “una estupidez” las últimas declaraciones del primer ministro británico, David Cameron, sobre las islas Malvinas.

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La presidenta calificó al Reino Unido como “una burda potencia colonial en decadencia”. (Foto: UPI)
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Mientras las islas “quieran ser territorio soberano británico deben seguir siendo territorio soberano británico. Punto. Final de la historia”, dijo Cameron ayer miércoles, un día después del 29° aniversario de la rendición de Argentina en la guerra contra el Reino Unido de 1982.

En un acto en la provincia de Misiones durante la presente jornada, Fernández dijo que los argentinos “nunca han creído en los puntos finales, ni en derechos humanos, ni en los derechos soberanos de las islas Malvinas”.

En este sentido, las expresiones de Cameron sobre un “punto final para la historia de nuestras islas Malvinas” son “un gesto de mediocridad y casi de estupidez”, dijo la mandataria.

Fernández indicó que su país seguirá “incansablemente reclamando no sólo la soberanía, sino que se sienten a dialogar, como lo marcan las resoluciones de la ONU. Vamos a seguir diciendo que siguen siendo una burda potencia colonial en decadencia en pleno siglo XXI“, sentenció.

La Cancillería argentina también rechazó las declaraciones de David Cameron, que tildó “un lamentable acto de arrogancia”.

Las afirmaciones del primer ministro británico se produjeron después de que Fernández, en una reunión que mantuvo el lunes con el secretario general de la ONU, Ban Ki-moon, volviera a reclamar al Reino Unido que se siente a negociar con Argentina sobre la soberanía de las islas.

En los últimos años, Argentina ha incrementado su presión en diversos foros internacionales para lograr que el Reino Unido acceda a conversar sobre la soberanía de las islas, situadas a 400 millas marinas de las costas argentinas, y que los británicos invadieron y ocuparon en 1833.

http://www.cooperativa.cl/cristina-fernandez-considero-una-estupidez-dichos-de-cameron-sobre-las-malvinas/prontus_nots/2011-06-16/184513.html

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Argentina Slams ‘Mediocre’ Cameron

 

Argentina’s president has attacked David Cameron over the Falkland Islands, labelling his opinion on the subject “mediocrity bordering on stupidity”.

 

David Cameron and Cristina Fernandez

Mrs Fernandez called Britain ‘a crude colonial power in decline’ 

Cristina Fernandez insists Argentina and Britain should negotiate over the territory’s sovereignty, and has promised to keep raising the demand in international forums. 

The two powers fought a 10-week war over the South Atlantic archipelago in 1982, and ongoing exploration for oil in the area has rekindled animosity between the two sides. 

On Monday, Ms Fernandez used a visit to Buenos Aires by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki moon to reiterate her desire for talks. 

But two days later the British Prime Minister made it clear none would take place without some indication the islands’ residents might favour a change. 

Mr Cameron told the House of Commons: “I would say this: as long as the Falkland Islands want to be sovereign British territory, they should remain sovereign British territory. Full stop, end of story.” 

As long as the Falkland Islands want to be sovereign British territory, they should remain sovereign British territory. Full stop, end of story. 

David Cameron

His words stung Mrs Fernandez, who started her political career in Patagonia, where nationalist feeling about the nearby islands is especially strong. 

She described Britain as a “crude colonial power in decline” and said the comments displayed “mediocrity bordering on stupidity”. 

The PM’s spokesman said: “You won’t be surprised that we don’t agree with the comments. 

“All he (PM) was doing was setting out his long term proposals on the Falkland Islands and their right to self-determination” 

Earlier this week, Mrs Fernandez gave a national identity card to the son of a Falklands war veteran born in the islands, celebrating his decision to seek Argentine citizenship. 

Several exploration companies are drilling in waters off the islands’ coasts, but have yet to find enough commercially viable oil to justify building platforms.

 

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100th Typhoon aircraft

Por favor, los británicos tenemos 1000 tropas sobre el terreno y 4 Typhoons y un destructor! Que sin duda resistirían una invasión el tiempo suficiente para mandar refuerzos, y nuestros submarinos nucleares son capaces de destruir cualquier barco a 200 millas de la isla!

Además la Armada Argentina tiene sólo 16 buques de 60 que están listos para la batalla!

En cuanto a su fuerza aérea, la mitad no vuela y un número similar de aviadores carece de entrenamiento en el aire!

La última vez que me enteré, los argentinos habían comprado equipo antiguo de la Unión Soviética que difícilmente estará preparado!

Vienen tiempos de elecciones pronto, sin duda, y se lanza el grito de batalla habitual de “Devuélvannos las Malvinas! Bueno, no estámos pidiendo a gritos nada a la Argentina, pero que no intenten nada de nuevo!!

Posted by: Non of the above on June 17, 2011 4:38 PM

Please we have a 1000 troops on the ground and 4 Typhoons and a destroyer! That would certainly hold up an invasion long enough to fly in reinforcements,
and our nuclear subs are able to destroy any ship within 200 miles of the island!
Also the Argentina Navy is old with only 16 Ships out of 60 that are battle ready!
As for there air force half of it is grounded and a similar number of Airman are lacking time in the air because of this!
Last time I heard they where buying old soviet equipment hardly state of the art now is it!
Election times soon no doubt and it the usual battle cry of give us back the Malvinas! Well we are not crying Argentina but you would be if you attempted it again!!!!

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  • Argentine leader chides British PM on Falklands – Yahoo! News 16 Jun 2011 Argentine President Cristina Fernandez took issue with remarks a day earlier by “As long as the Falkland Islands want to be sovereign British territory, Referring to Cameron’s statements, Fernandez said that
    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110616/ap…/lt_argentina_britain_falklands_1

  • Argentine leader chides British PM on Falklands – Associated Press16 Jun 2011 Argentine President Cristina Fernandez took issue with remarks a day earlier by Cameron, who praised the British troops who retook the Falklands from the “As long as the Falkland Islands want to be sovereign British
    hosted2.ap.org/…Falklands/id-1e75d46c903648ccb1d3cfa0cb02c1a0

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    Posted by: whitbycrab on June 17, 2011 6:00

    PMI did read once in a book that the USA may have helped the UK (albeit covertly) last time to keep the Falkland Islands safe from attack by the USSR and their dominance of the South Atlantic, but that is all cold war stuff.

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    Posted by: SJT on June 17, 2011 5:30 PM

    Argentina only had sovereignty of the Falkland for, at the most 15 years, in the early 1800, the rest of the time it has been British, so how does that give them a greater right to the Islands than us.

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    Posted by: Raccoon82 on June 17, 2011 5:30 PM

    The Falklanders may not be a vast group of individuals, but they are British Citizens, our countrymen, and all indicators point to the fact that they wish to remain as such, therefore Cameron, for once is right in his opinions, and we should defend the islands from attack as we should any other part of the nation, Port Stanley or Port Talbot, it matters not, we should defend both if they are invaded, and if our “allies” object, let them consider their own overseas possessions, President Obama, I believe you were born on an island thousands of miles from your nation’s capital…. as for President Fernandez, madam look to the ruinous state of your own country before you consider any imperial ambitions, the Falklanders do not want you, so forget this silly little diversionary tactic and focus on improving the lives of the people you do represent, Britain may be declining, but is still more than a match for the likes of you in the defence of its citizens.

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    Posted by: Johndale on June 17, 2011 5:24 PM

    Worrying parrallels with 1982 (for the Argentinians). British defense cuts encourage hollow posturing from a country that NEVER owned the Falklands.

    Are we to assume that proximity equals ownership. In that case Russia should belong to America, Britain to France, New Zealand to Australia and so on.

    Are you just going to bark little dog or are you going to bite?

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    Posted by: Anne99 on June 17, 2011 5:17 PM

    Cameron’s quite right to let the BRITISH people there decide {END OF STORY]!!

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    Posted by: mcgolj72 from Scotland on June 17, 2011 5:06 PMI think the last paragraph about sums it up…

    “Several exploration companies are drilling in waters off the islands’ coasts, but have yet to find enough commercially viable oil to justify building platforms”

    Who’s up for betting that when no oil is found, we’ll graciously give the islands back……

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  • Posted by: whata on June 17, 2011 5:05 PMhaha why is britain always involved in other peoples land. I love this:

    She described Britain as a “crude colonial power in decline” and said the comments displayed “mediocrity bordering on stupidity”.

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    PermalinkPosted by: matt1711 on June 17, 2011 5:02 PM

    Do not give this land back to Argentina Mr Cameron. Show that you have got some guts and tell em to get stuffed!!!!! Do not tarnish the memory of those who died protecting the Falklands many many years ago.

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    Posted by: muddy90 on June 17, 2011 5:01 PM

    The Argies had forgot about the islands untill it looked like there might be oil there and now they’re all feeling nationalistic about them. Funny that isn’t it.

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    Posted by: Casual Observer on June 17, 2011 5:01 PM

    She’s probably right…

    Posted by: 1stenigma from PUERTO de MAZARRON on June 17, 2011 4:54 PM

    As long as the Falkland Islands want to be sovereign British territory, they should remain sovereign British territory.
    yes this old carrot to the donkey. What about Northern Ireland, most of the people there want to be a sovereign British territory, but if the libbers and labour had their way. I guess planting a few bombs would change minds. It work in Belfast.

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    Posted by: opinionatedperson on June 17, 2011 4:49 PM

    think the reality is that Mrs Fernandez’ comments are just political rhetoric
    so she can enjoy a few moments in the public limelight. Trouble is the morons who vote for her probably expect that she can follow up her sabre-rattling threats with real action, plunging them further into trouble than they already are.

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    Posted by: wumper. on June 17, 2011 4:40 PM

    She seems to know Cameron better than our electorate

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    Posted by: inspiral1 on June 17, 2011 4:39 PM

    Cristina Fernandez is just attention seeking. Does she really think Secretary-General Ban Ki moon has nothing better to do with his time.

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    Posted by: Non of the above on June 17, 2011 4:38 PM

    Please we have a 1000 troops on the ground and 4 Typhoons and a destroyer! That would certainly hold up an invasion long enough to fly in reinforcements,
    and our nuclear subs are able to destroy any ship within 200 miles of the island!
    Also the Argentina Navy is old with only 16 Ships out of 60 that are battle ready!
    As for there air force half of it is grounded and a similar number of Airman are lacking time in the air because of this!
    Last time I heard they where buying old soviet equipment hardly state of the art now is it!
    Election times soon no doubt and it the usual battle cry of give us back the Malvinas! Well we are not crying Argentina but you would be if you attempted it again!!!!

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    Posted by: Mr Allchurch from Yorkshire on June 17, 2011 4:36 PM

    Its was just a matter of time before the Argentinians started this again.
    We will struggle to defend the Falkland Islands due to other commitments around the world and redundancy within our own forces

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    Posted by: catman on June 17, 2011 4:24 PM

    @activelibdem0272 what planet do you live on? you deserve to be thrashed in an argie jail for that statement AND you would probably enjoy it.

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    Posted by: activelibdem0272 on June 17, 2011 4:17 PM

    This was the TRUE illegal war.
    The war in iraq was very valid as it stopped a madman getting nukes and wmds.
    This place is nothing more than an outpost.
    Let the argies have it with interest!!!!!!!!!

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    Posted by: Neil K from Nottingham, UK on June 17, 2011 4:07 PM

    @wlbjork

    Its the fault of Labour AND the collation … the only Prime Minister (IMO) that ever put England first was Thatcher (although granted, she did go nuts towards the end!!!!!)

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    Posted by: Serious consideration from Wiltshire on June 17, 2011 4:06 PM

    Senora Fernandez must realise that civilized countries behave differently from Argentina. Using the Falkland Islands as a pawn in a domestic political game is NOT how Britain behaves.
    While the Falkland Islanders choose to remain as a British Protectorate then that is how it should be. The current behaviour of Argentina over this matter only serves to confirm what good judges the Falkland Islanders are!

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    colmaz1Posted by: colmaz1 on June 17, 2011 4:01 PM Posted by: 210849 on June 17, 2011 3:48 PMHa ha ha ha ha see the whole world knows what an idiot you are Cameron.Put brain in gear before opening mouth.No wonder we are the laughing stock of the world.
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    If that’s what they think, imagine what they thought when we had the Labour Party muppett show in power!
    Mick of the MidlandsPosted by: Mick of the Midlands on June 17, 2011 3:58 PM How heavy is a billion pounds in fivers.Drop,a few loads of those on the blighters,that’ll scatter em.
    whitbycrabPosted by: whitbycrab on June 17, 2011 3:53 PM I believe that our nation has done a lot to normalise relations between our two countries since 1982. We allow them to sell their wine in our shops, watch them play rugby and even welcome their footballers into some of our toughest football clubs (Leeds United to mention one). Sadly their successive governments try to use the Falklands to whip up nationalism to gloss over their poor economic record (and historically their human rights record) which is a shame, we could be friends.
    mike robertsPosted by: mike roberts on June 17, 2011 3:50 PM Please,please,please,Cameron DON’T do a u-turn again.
    AFormerLiberalPosted by: AFormerLiberal on June 17, 2011 3:48 PM Ask her about the Patagonian land that Argentina bullied and took off Chilem Mmmm!!!
    FORCEPosted by: FORCE on June 17, 2011 3:47 PM LETS STOP THEM STUPID OVERSEAS PEOPLE MAKING STUPID COMMENTS ABOUT US, BRITISH IS BEST… WE ARE A TINY ISLAND COMPARED… BUT LOOK AT WHAT THIS SMALL PLACE HAS ACHIEVED OVER THE YEARS… THAT ARGIE WOMAN HAS NO IDEA WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT, SOMEONE SHOULD TELL HER TO STOP PAINTING BLACK RINGS AROUND HER EYES AS WELL!.
    indiebelfastPosted by: indiebelfast on June 17, 2011 3:46 PM if maradona and co invaded, we couldnt stop them, no carriers! not a good situation
    MackanPosted by: Mackan on June 17, 2011 3:46 PM For all the militarily naive posters here….war has changed somewhat since 1982!! The argies know that they’d be lucky to have any soldiers at all reach the islands. Our national interests come above our NATO interests, so every available fighter aircraft would be sent there (there was no fighter base in 1982, RAF Stanley was built in 1983), and 3 submarines, not necessarily already serving in the area but always on standby to get there at short-notice, would sink any ships carrying troops to a re-imposed Exclusion Zone. There’s no need for aircraft carriers. Anyway, Argentina’s the poor economic state (yes, I know it’s hard to imagine, but theirs is STILL worse than ours!!!) means that an attempted re-take won’t happen anytime soon. Our plan to defend the islands is constantly updated according to the political situation and would receive all the support it needed, come the day.
    This is typical argie bluster & sword-rattling by the unpopular ageing hag that is their PM.
    AtomtrasherPosted by: Atomtrasher on June 17, 2011 3:44 PM Some people need to actually look up what defences we have there. What equipment the Argentinans have as well as how well trained they are. I understand that we are making defense cuts but anyone who thinks they could actually invade and win, is not being entirely fair and are using this to have a dig at the cuts. We also have back up for what we already have that can be sent on the first sign of them even thinking about invading. She knows militarily she has no chance. This is why she is sprouting this rhetoric. In fact, any one who looks at the facts with a balance view knows she has no chance. As for Sovereignty, if they can own something 250 odd miles from their coast, then can we have Ireland, France, Holland and Belgium?
    NorthCircularRoadE6Posted by: NorthCircularRoadE6 on June 17, 2011 3:40 PM What’s this “give them back to the Argies” business? They have NEVER occupied them. In fact Argentina wasn’t even a country when we took them!

    Besides, we’ll give away the Falklands when the Argentines return their entire country to the natives they stole it from.

paul66Posted by: paul66 on June 17, 2011 3:35 PM lets get those aircraft carriers ready ….. oh we havent got any and i agree with her sentiments totally mediocrity bordering on stupidity thats our leader !
EssPosted by: Ess on June 17, 2011 3:34 PM “As long as the Falkland Islands want to be sovereign British territory, they should remain sovereign British territory. Full stop, end of story.”

Well said Dave…so when will the U-turn come and give the Falklands back to the Argies?

sonicsuper2Posted by: sonicsuper2 on June 17, 2011 3:30 PM the argies should have learnt their lesson the last time round, flexing their muscles doesn’t impress anyone, good to see Dave taking a firm stance on this
disunited kingdomPosted by: disunited kingdom on June 17, 2011 3:28 PM I think any Argentinian of European ancestry should be allowed into the Falklands. They can use it as a stop off point as they return back to the “old world” where they originally came from!

After all if all nations (not just Britain) are to hand everything back then surely Argentina should be handed back to the indigenous tribes that were their before any Europeans arrived.

Adi.Posted by: Adi. on June 17, 2011 3:27 PM That’s what happened to Michael Jackson, he became president “down south”…I think I saw Tupac and Elvis on the background!
Ollie80Posted by: Ollie80 on June 17, 2011 3:26 PM I had no idea that Ozzy Osbourne is the president of Argentina! Rock ‘n’ Roll!
WLBjorkPosted by: WLBjork on June 17, 2011 3:22 PM Neil K, typical of Labour that is. The Sea Harrier fighter-bombers were withdrawn from service in ’06, and less capable (i.e. no radar!) RAF varients replaced them.
F35s were scheduled to replace the Harrier, but typical inefficiency means they won’t be on the scene until 2020.

Moreover, the Harrier would have a tougher time of it should things degenerate sufficiently, for starters the Argies will have upgraded the old AIM-9Bs used lasdt time (we had the more capable AIM-9L), and likely add radar-guided missiles (which can at least be jammed).

A simple option would be 2 squadrons of Tornados with tanker and AWACS support, and a couple of SSNs.

scarvesandglovesPosted by: scarvesandgloves from ConDemend Britian on June 17, 2011 3:21 PM @ Mick of the Midlands

Have you noticed that when the Big Three political parties make policies in their election campaign the policies always end up a hundred miles away from what they promised us.

davyhPosted by: davyh on June 17, 2011 3:20 PM The Argies should just donate a small sum the the CONservative party coffers.
Then the CONservatives will simply give it to them.
It works well for every other tax evading dodgy institution.
Dont believe me? Look up the “free” land giveaway by this shambolic government.
scarvesandglovesPosted by: scarvesandgloves from ConDemend Britian on June 17, 2011 3:19 PM @catman

I mentioned that earlier. I think it’s disgusting we have to share our Armed Forces with them, when they sold the weapons used to kill them.

This country needs a political party with balls. Maybe we should start the SkyNewsKeyboardWarriors party, But I think we might have more in fighting than the coalition has now.

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